does keep the economy going and when you cut that much spending all at once abruptly you create a shock to the economy and that is dangerous and there are economists that say it could send us into recession again. >> it is not going to happen immediately on january 1st is their point. >> the alternative perspective is if you believe in preserving entitlements, social security, an eventual deal, a real deal, how much different would it really look from what is on the table with the fiscal cliff? >> that's a good question. let me read to you what congressman peter difazoo told politico. if the republicans can't see their way to significant additional revenues target to the people who are best off and passive income and other things like that, then we're better off going over the cliff and readdressing this with a better congress in january so then i guess the question becomes will things be much different with this different congress if the leaders are the same.