candidates address. and so i'm hopeful that a lot of these other domestic issues do get addressed. >> and we have to talk about this photo-op. paul ryan washing pots at st. vincent depaul in youngstown, ohio. the charity is saying that those pots weren't even dirty and the campaign released a statement it was a great opportunity to highlight the importance of volunteerism and local clarities. but jackie, is this something people expect, kind of contrived at campaign spots some does it make them look bad sort of reinforcing some people's opinion that they don't really truly get what it means to be middle class or even certainly poor in america? >> these are tricky to pull off. i mean, this isn't necessarily as damaging as the tank incident. but the photo-opes can be tricky. when you have charities and politics, it's a tough terrain for them. so maybe there should have been