europe, running up bills we can't pay. >> right. >> what does that mean here? working on medicare, working on social security. paul ryan did that. he put out his budget. doesn't balance until 2040 and got his head chopped up for proposing the idea. so perhaps that's why mitt romney is not getting into specifics about what he wants to do with medicare. >> what are they doing? they're running 30-second ads attacking barack obama for what? not for being reckless on medicare. >> right. >> or cutting medicare. >> right. >> stealing. >> really? >> really? are we serious? is there not a serious political party in this country? i would love -- you know what, if there were a conservative party in america right now, the republicans and the democrats would both be in a lot of trouble. a real conservatives. like you said, small government conservatives that were consistent. >> but would that conservatism party have what's lacking in this dialog from both parties, we've mentioned this word 100,000 times in the last year,