government. >> and off the economy. >> the whole thing is a wash. >> it could be. it could be a wash. >> i think i have a hard time seeing the upside argument. i know some people have said if it's overturned, i think people are just going to say it's been two years, no upside. >> that's the question. if you're a member of congress and you were in there, jimmy williams, slogging this thing through, dealing with it, fighting it, supporting it, whatever, and this thing gets torn down, are you going to have any sort of energy, wherewithal or -- >> no. >> i think there is a little bit of an upside. the little bit of the upside is my friends on the republican side, s.e. will probably agree with me on this, republicans always overreach, every single time when it comes to this stuff. you don't believe me, look at the darrell issa stuff. they always, always, always overreach. but here we go. what's going to happen, say the court strikes down the mandate, et cetera, or obliterates the entire case. congress has to do something. next time, no matter who the president is, whether barack