depression. not a recession, not a downturn, the great depression. now he is taking increase for the -- >> what is striking he is running to clinton record. this is what hillary clinton ran on. to some degree, he should be running on it, welfare reform, he had a hand in shaping. >> he didn't, he did not have a huge hand in that at all, the senate led that drive. gingrich cannot have a role, he likes to pick and choose what he claims credit for. >> and bill clinton, back in the first gingrich surge was trying to correct the record on that. but being grandiose has not been a problem for newt. let us not for get that his ethics problems hit, on stepping