knew about it for a year, and the idea that you stand before us and talk about that you are strong on immigration is on its face the height of hypocrisy. >> i think that comment got romney off of his game for the first time in the debates, i think that romney in a sense lost his composure, and i don't know if i would go so far to call it a jim harbaugh moment, but this is how it happened. romney was so wound up, he grabbed perry and tried to set him straight. >> i am looking forward to finding your facts on this -- >> and you -- >> and i am speaking. you get 30 seconds, and this is the way the rules work here, i get 60 seconds and then you get 30 seconds to respond, right? anderson -- >> and you say that you knew -- >> and would you please wait? >> are you going to keep talking? let me finish what i have to say. >> mitt romney, i wonder if he is on the cnn payroll for moderator tonight.