legally obviously false, that maybe he was born somewhere else. it wasn't a big deal in the 2008 campaign. it was a very minor thing. other smears and other that got more attention. after that election, there was this frantic drive, partly from people who supported hillary to write to electors to ask them not to certify obama and that's when it kind of blew up. then it was in the netherworld of the internet for a year or two and seemed like the republican party had marginalized it, if not purged it and donald trump brought it to the forefront this year. >> did anybody in the hillary camp we heard of, any name brand person, have anything to do with stirring this pie, or this soup? >> no, not that i know. other crazy theories they were clinging to in the late days but this was not one of them. whitey tape was their crazy theory. >> what is that? oh, yeah. >> remember that? >> what was that about? let's not stir that up. let's let it die where it was. gene, you're an excellent