would have been extremely devastating. can you imagine in the early '80s with the aids epidemic if there was a cap on medicaid. that would have been devastating. people would have literally died. >> so, to the -- >> a couple points -- >> i was going to say, you're a physician as well. but to the concept of taking the medicaid, you know, the medicaid money and making it a block grant to the state , it is a total cap. irrespective of whether or not you go into a recession and more people are thrown into the poverty roles, how do you justify that as the approach? >> well, because, that's the only way truly we can really save the program. california hasn't done too well under the current system as you can clearly see and if representative bass was honest, she would admit that. >> well, they had extraordinary streng strains on their budget. immigration increases, more