it's not written that this has to work out exactly like 1995. i think if there is a shutdown the democrats seem more flexible, more reasonable on these issues. the republicans are more dogmatic. the democrats have a tougher story, more nuance story to tell. we care about the deficit but it's not time to do anything about it right now. we do not live in an age of nuance. so i'm not sure how this will come out. >> you're right. i think that might be the case. howard, the chris christie machine, all about cut now, do it now, even though we're still in a recession, right? is that still the action? find places to cut and do it now. >> yes. he was very smart in part to go after things that weren't done yet, that like that tunnel to manhattan. that was a brilliant stroke on his part because people could understand that and also they