union membership as a portion of the labor force has declined, but the one place where it has gotten a foothold is in government and state workers. if these eupian rules go through, the new nonnegotiating rules go through, which in effect remove the union's ability to negotiate anything significant, it limits them to a cost of flight level, that sort of thing, and in reality, it seems to encourage the lack of a union. they're controlled to do exactly the same thing around the country. if state workers and state worker unions are so threatened, isn't this the most serious harm that could possibly come to the american labor movement at this point? >> absolutely. i agree with you, and i think wisconsin is the biggest domino in the chain of 50 dominos out