seas aren't rough, the visibility is not that poor, which makes you lead to believe that mechanical or human error. >> yeah. now, this picture here from the camera, this is a camera that's order up just by wnbc, their traffic cam, and they have trained eyes here. it looks foggy. >> yeah, i mean -- because there are showers going through now. but earlier when the incident occurred, it wasn't like that. so that's what makes me believe that's not the case. >> okay. >> i mean, the currents in new york harbor are infamous. but these ferries is a free ferry, anyone can travel it. a lot of tourists travel it back and forth. and the currents are a lot. but these ferry drivers go back and forth probably, you know, 10 to 20 times in one of their shifts. so, you know, you wouldn't think they would be surprised by much. >> yeah, tremendously heavy ferries, as well. you wouldn't think that some minor swells, if any even exist today, given the report you're giving us, would contribute to this. so for people just joining us, we're just keeping our eye on things going on. you see firefighters on the scene there at the staten island ferry terminal there on the