>> trey: yeah, bret. i mean, dr. krauthammer is right again and then you add to that the calls to defund the police and then the thought wing of the democrat party if that's the right phraseology, some of them even said they wanted to eliminate the police and hire social workers. you have so-called progressive prosecutors who have never met anyone that they think ought to be in jail. and then you have got both political parties. both of them have minimized acts the violence on their side. you add to that a media that can't tell the difference between an arsonist and a peaceful protester, it is the most natural and probable consequence in the world. you are going to see a spike in crime when you have seen a spike in lawlessness. >> bret: ben? >> ben: well, dr. krauthammer's words are obviously still true today. i think that one of the big things we have to appreciate about this moment is that smart democrats are looking at the poll numbers that they are