religion, but don't say to him, it's illegitimate for you to uphold those positions that you are teaching as extreme. no, catholicism is not extreme, their attacks are extreme. >> shannon: it is interesting because there are those who take this a step further and say it is not just about having a faith, it is about actually practicing it, and that is where some of these questions -- we have seen with other nominees -- have been really pushed about whether or not to actually adhere to the tenants of their faith. phil donahue, you know well, president of the civil rights, he said the senators are playing a game, they are engaged in selective religious profiling and sexism. just a soda mayor was not considered a problem yet she is catholic, but she is also reliably pro-abortion. end of story. is it more about the issue? >> it is, i think it is a rehash of the judge kavanaugh debate,