he's guilty. the jury didn't reach that conclusion out-of-the-box. the risk is, if you are the defense team, you have to run the table and all 18 of these counts unless manafort is looking at decent jail time. if they hang on two counts on convict on 16, that doesn't really do you much good. you need to kind of run the table, which is still a high bar. >> jason: there are many out there that feel like this is a bit of a witch hunt. this has absolutely nothing to do with donald trump! it has absolutely nothing to do with russia and the election. i mean, is this a bit of a witch hunt? are we extending too far? are we giving a tool to prosecutors? 305 years -- i want you to listen to senator rand paul had to say about this earlier today. >> i think we've gone crazy on criminalizing everything under the sun and what happens is, it adds up to, like, people will never have physically hurt somebody and yet you add up all these things, if you are guilty,