chinese, they rig their markets no more than the chinese. it's an education there. whether this is the answer, i don't know. do you worry that trying to protect one industry of this president and any president down the road that might consider doing the same would be hurting lots of other industries. congress would be remiss if it didn't do something about that. >> i look at these tariffs as mainly a negotiating tool. i know he has to put bite behind them. >> by the way, the markets have agreed with you. they don't think it's going to happen. it could happen. >> it could happen. at the same time, let's not forget canada has almost 20,000 tariffs implemented. we have all of these trade imbalances and trade deficits. quite frankly, forget the steel and aluminum situation. what trump is saying enough of the past. we are having a new era, knew rules of engagement. we're going to have fair truth.