terrorist. the idea that any democrat or liberal does not want to secure our border, to me, they are not upholding their oath of protecting the constitution and that includes the governor of california. >> julie: there have been agents guarding the border in trying to do so. they've been putting their lives on the line but the murders in the process, they need back up. one could argue, could they not, that this is very much like sending u.s. troops to afghanistan? to try to hold terrorists at ba bay? look at the crime that increased when we try to pull out of afghanistan. it would, in essence, do the same thing, would it not? >> putting the national guard their backs of the men and women of the u.s. border patrol and our state troopers who put their lives on the line every day. i've been to the border many times. every time i hear liberal on fox talk about no criminals are crossing the border, no terrorists are crossing the border, these are people that have never been there. they have no clue what they are talking about.