or stalin, who killed numerous people. >> tucker: it's not about columbus, an italian that was acting on behalf of the spanish government. i've got nothing in common with him. i don't have to defend him. the subsequent waves of europeans who came to this country obviously hurt a lot of the indigenous population but also had a pretty great effect on the continent. they turned it into america, which to this day is a beacon of hope for the world, that's what everyone wants to come here. you are trying to delegitimized, that, and let's be honest about that. >> again, i disagree. we are talking about the mainland of the united states. columbus never made it here. we're talking about people who came, the europeans who came to ellis island and other places, i think that influence we can say for the most part has been positive.. they've done some good things, some bad things. i don't think there's any american who would sit here and say we shouldn't have any europeans here in the united