it's hard to say what the numbers should be now and into the future. and that something that people discuss -- >> tucker: let me flip it on its head. so the left-wing assumption, and this has changed a lot in the past ten years, but as of today it appears to be that it's racist to exclude anyone from the country whether you are here legally or illegally. >> that is an assumption. that's not fair. >> tucker: what are the limits? who should be able -- who should we be able to exclude, and on what basis? >> people who are a danger should be excluded first. thee president has done a good job of attracting that kind of enforcement first priority against people who aret criminal aliens or criminal immigrants or whatever you want to call them. i think the president has also said, and this often gets lost in the debate, that there should be exceptions and that deportation shouldn't necessarily be the only punishment for people come here illegally. is that fair? >> tucker: i disagree with it, but you wanted to come on and debate this.