where they can see through the wall because no one is throwing anything over-the-top at them. this is what dhs wanted. it is also half of the cost so we can build twice as much of it. this is a huge win for border security. >> reporter: the president as you know treated at this morning that looking ahead to fiscal year '18, a shutdown may be just the thing needed to clean up this budget mess. do you agree on that and can expand on that? speak i've been through a couple shutdowns. let me answer that question this way. that is a good discussion to have in september. i think the president is frustrated with the fact that he negotiated in good faith with the democrats and they went out to try to spike the football and make him look bad. i get that frustration because i think it is a terrible posture for the democrats to take. if we are sitting here trying to prove to people that washington is going to be different, we're going to change things in figure a way to work with them and they do that to this president, listen, i would have taken offense at that so does not surprise me at all that his frustrations were manifested in that way. we've got a lot to do between