us back up to the norms we had in the '60s, '70s and '80s. paul: all right. and i think you think tax reform is part of that agenda. >> sure is. paul: okay. so what about this, the timing, the delay on this? i know, you know, when people, when businesses think there's going to be a tax cut around the corner, they tend not to invest right now. >> that's true. [laughter] that's the big mistake we made under reagan was we deferred the tax cuts. and if you know they're going to cut taxes next year, what do you do this year? defer all the income you possibly can to next year, and that's why we had the deep recession in '81 and '82. they shouldn't make that mistak. now. no, big reform, mega-tax reform takes time. but we could do one thing right away. we can cut that corporate tax rate from 35% to 15% just right away to get the economy jump-started, and that's what i