that aircraft. bill: you have the black boxes. it is an amazing thing to see this thing crash over desert area of eight to nine miles and still you recover these two black boxes. how long, robert, how long before we know perhaps the best initial clue? >> oh, that's a good question, bill. so far the ntsb from the u.s. ntsb has not been called into help which is a little unusual because there are parts of the engines that are made by the u.s. manufacturer pratt commit any. -- pratt whitney. the u.s. is usually involved in that. that tends to nudge them along to see what the initial voice recorders are like. we don't know at this point because right now the recorders are in the hands of the egyptians. then you have the russians involved. i think anybody's guess we'll hear anything. bill: here is the headline, there was no way it was brought down, no way brought down by