strategy of trying to get the economy going and have more broadly shared prosperity. >> there is a fundamental difference in ideology though of how to do this, congressman southerland. you said looking back on lyndon johnson's war in poverty if, it had failed, do you keep putting more money into existing programs or do you as senator marco rubio suggested earlier this week, fundamentally reform everything? take a big pot of money that federal government has and give that to the states to administer in innovative ways? they're the ones on the ground who know what needs to be done. >> i don't know, i think you have to look at the -- the indicators, the fundamentals of these programs. look what causes poverty. we know, okay, that two parent families is a child's greatest opportunity to avoid poverty. we know that a good quality education with daily parent involvement, great choice reduces poverty. we know that a good job, you know, 90 -- of the people that have a job, okay, only 3% are in poverty. so if you have a job in this country, 97% chance that you're not going to be in poverty. and so, therefore, i think there's a better way. okay? if you look at the last 50