>> we're looking at the meetings with marilyn tavenner and meets with the president and there is pushback, the president said i was assured everything was okay. somebody it looks like was protecting the president from really understanding what was going on, at least that's what they're telling us. >> right. there is a phrase we like to use down here, may have heard called plausible deniability. martha: exactly. >> how do you protect the boss man when the going gets tough. mr. park talked about how he was from the private sector. he would no doubt like to return there but probably not return there under cloud saying it was his fault or this guy's fault. the scapegoating, search for a fall guy is very much on inside the administration. you can see it. how high do they need to go? does it need to be sebelius? will a lesser percentage do? can they take mr. park, they