people because you can't afford them anymore, or are you hoping to hang onto what you've got? william? >> well, we're not looking to hire in this environment. the market -- >> is it the environment? would you be hiring if it was a different climate? >> opportunity for american manufacturing right now is unbelievable. if you look at natural resources, the growth in the global economy, the innovation history in america, our human capital, american manufacturing has a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to expand and to once again dominate the world, and it breaks my heart that at 40 years old, a relatively young business owner, my outlook on the future is not what it should be. >> and, gina, what about you, just real quickly? >> well, you have a fire in the belly if you're an entrepreneur as it is. i would say that the opportunities with our business and growth, they have certainly been stymied years ago, especially with this administration, because there's so much uncertainty out there. we never know what's coming down the pike, and we don't know with health care increases and everything else what we're going