jobs. mike also has a foundation called mike row works that helps young people train for well-paying jobs in skilled labor. mike, it is real publish having you here. >> nice to be here. [ applause ] >> you're talking about something, mike that is near and deer dear to my heart. that is that a college degree is not always the ticket to a good career. and, yet, we are told that, you know, if you go to college, you're going to be able to get a good job and make a lot of money. >> look, it's a difficult thing to talk about because the minute you take a position that's cob temporary in the prevailing narrative. you are see seen as anti-college. not all knowledge comes from college, all right? there is a. [ applause ] >> it's so easy too, i think, to confuse, you know, the cause of a thing with the symptom of a thing. and a lot of things that we talk about today, a lot of the headlines from the skills gap to unemployment, to currency devaluation to