committee, john kerry, secretary of state, scaring the daylights out of it, and the president makes it sound like it's a bank robber who ran from new jersey to new york and he's knot going to get involved. >> what happens? >> i don't think they want to try him. if they put him on trial, it will be a likely espionage trial the likes we haven't seen since the rosenbergs, because in order to prove their case they have to reveal to the world what they were doing. they want to scare him away, silence him, want him to go away. i don't think they've decided what that is. i think the president was not happy with senator feinstein and secretary of state kerry, or he may not have known about it, before he made flip and unpresidential comments in africa. >> last words, charles. >> even as we speak, the president pretends it's just, as you say, a bank robbery case, they're scooping up every iota of information in his computers. a lot of stuff that we don't even know about now that could be extremely damaging. it is not a routine case. >> and the head of the nsa has