no, no you need to focus on evidence to convict. and they didn't. it is what it is. >> you don't know that they didn't. they didn't come back with the verdict that you wanted. >> the defense was successful at least arguing planting the seed, that the dna could have been there because it was wiped away on a a towel. they were able to bring in the seeds of doubt to plant with this jury. >> look, the dna, you can't, i mean, i guess you can try. i guess this case stands for the proposition that dna isn't enough but this isn't "ncis" or csi. this is real law, real courtrooms. this is a real case. this is the kind of evidence that you get and, the fact is, that he gave some story to the jury that the victim may have brought a dish home from a party that the accused was at. and i thought it was, personally i thought it was way out there but what the heck. i was flat wrong on this one. uma: esther, you have the final word here. >> the jury did what juries do. this is why fred and i don't sit on juries.