increased over 120,000. that's an enormous number in that period of time. so the bureaucracy continues to grow. the federal government continues to grow. we have big government, big corporations, big labor, and they're demanding what they always have demanded. i don't expect it to change. >> what about it? we're broke. we can't afford more hiring, yet we're hiring more and more federal workers. >> couple things, one is federal government actually, the growth in federal government increased at the slowest rate under this president than since the korean war. so first, you got -- second, it's not just the unions who are opposed to sequestration. other people are all the republicans in the armed services committee who understand that you do this, you're going to plunge the country back into recession. you already have military being cut, civilians being laid off from the military time and time again. >> tracy, julie points something out. the increase is slowing down burks it's still increasing. >> it's still increasing. it's still unnecessary.