then counts those savings. this is $800 billion in interest payments and he call that's a spending cut. no account for $716 billion from medicare he's borrowing from medicare and has to repay. if you look at his budget what he's put there in black and white and ask congress to pass versus g.o.p. house budget president obama calls for a trillion dollars more in spending than is called for in-house republican budget and $300 billion more in taxes so this is increasing the deficit above what republicans have been suggesting we do. yet, tonight went out there and said i'm going to cut this $4 trillion wasn't believable. >> and that is one of the things last week in tampa is this theme if you didn't build