the money spent on welfare it was not meant to get people out of welfare initially. most of the programs meant to help people subsist on welfare. but the best way to get off of welfare for those at the top of the welfare line is get a growing economy to move in the middle class. the president of the united states is not -- >> eric: no liberal comment, though. it's bad now, but imagine how bad it would be if we hadn't spent a $1 trillion or $15 trillion or $20 trillion. >> bob: it would have been much worse! >> kimberly: when you look at the cato study we mentioned earlier, federal welfare spending is up 41%. $193 billion extra per year. who is going to want to give that money back? you know what? forget it. when you get used to it, you become accustom. our nation's crack now is free money. other people's money. >> bob: most is triggered by the recession, automatic triggering if you lose your job. >> dana: i think we would all agree is t way out of this