much of a message this says about unionization, it will be flat-out horrible for employment and for the economy. >> brenda: interesting, susan, what are the goals, do they help or hurt jobs? >> you know, the goals of the rules are only affecting when cases wind up in a hearing in front of the nlrb and that's 10% of the cases aen so this is not a broad new wide sweeping mandate the nlrb is giving unions. a lot of times if you look at the rules, they're incredibly byzantine and a lot of hoops to jump through and bad for employers and employees and for the unions and so they're trying to streamline and reduce amount of uncertainty and waiting time and reduce the amount of litigation and things get held up for years sometimes and this is about streamlining, cost cutting and reducing uncertainty. should be things that jobs, job producers like. >> do you agree with that, toby. >> to what end? . the math says i'll use wal-mart as an example in the '90s, as they were facing unionization, two things they