case officers, the c.i.a. case officers in the area, study the culture, working sources, developing pieces of information that say guess what? once you get the high value target, washington, d.c., led out of the white house is going to send a big group of people in to do the questioning, because apparently you don't know what you're doing. it's really a horrible message to send. it's inefficient. we have to ask some very hard questions about should we be doing it this way. >> jamie: which i know you'll do in your committee. so my question is this: are you in favor of waterboarding? and are there other methods that could be made available that might allow for bipartisan support of what you're calling for? >> i think there is. i think waterboarding is off the table. that's okay, but there are other enhanced techniques that can be used. interesting, there are techniques that an f.b.i. agent can use against a suspected organized crime member in new york city that this group, the h.i.g., according to the new law, would not be able to use to a foreign-born terrorists trying