co-conspirator in the holyland foundation case in texas, a few years ago. put out a memo, i get their e-mails, the night before urging all of their supporters to contact npr and put the heat on juan williams. there's that element too. what happen to my liberal friends worried about a chilling effect that we hear so often and damage to the first amendment? >> under the first amendment we are guaranteed freedom of speech. doesn't that apply to news analysts? juan was expressing his opinion? >> he's a news analyst. these are old "new york times" rules you are not supposed to be spouting off on your personal opinions. there's a kind of weird now very old fashioned line that some news organizations stale tempt to draw. i feel very sorry for npr here. i'll tell you why, they've shot themselves in the foot this was a news organization, one of the last that was sending out reporters trying to do great stories. doing great stories.