anything, bill. i'm teaching to california state standards. i'm letting students make informed decisions. i'm letting be involved and civic engaged. what we are trying to do is say that this arizona law amounts to racial profiling. the fact is bill, and you can't deny this in cities that have large amounts of immigrants is lower. >> bill: lower because compared to before the recession. that's why it is lower. there aren't as many illegals now as there were because the economy is terrible. if you go back 10 years every city is up big. and the intrusion on arizona and california, as you know, is enormous in dollars and blood. i will give you the last word. >> right. what i'm concerned about is the 14-year-old boy that was shot and murdered by the border patrol on this border. there is violence on both sides. >> bill: we are concerned, too. we don't want any violence and if the border -- jose, you know as well as i do, if the border were secured, the poor people trying to get in here wouldn't be suffering. that's another reason. >> and the students that went on the trip went with their