that debate." there also to be conjecture regarding whether or not undocumented students at ksu receive either federal or state financial aid. for the record, neither form of aid is afforded to undocumented students at ksu. but, you know, let's part that for a second, phil, they say aid is not out for undocumented students, nonetheless, aid is available to all students so i'm sure undocumented students are getting help. >> well, what i don't like about the president of kennesaw state university. i don't want to sound shrill. he's a lying weasel. he actually used the attorney of the school, used the taxpayer supported school resources and was a cheerleader for this illegal student and was trying to get her to dodge the criminal charges. it is absolutely an insult what this college president has done and now that the media glare is on him, he's trying to crawfish. >> well, you know what? those are some extraordinary charges. we're going to try to get him on the program in the next day or two. ok?