weapon, particularly in a capital case where the person is saying they're innocent? >> you're exactly right. and that's exactly the question to ask. there is a principle in our legal system that applies to criminal cases called finality. the idea is at a certain point, after a defendant, even a capital defendant, after a defendant has had a certain number of pappeals, the idea is we close the courthouse doors. we simply say, i'm sorry, i'm turning away from this case, it's closed, it's done, we're not listening any longer. it's final. this is an incredibly harmful and damaging principle in the criminal legal system. it is something that anyone who has been wrongfully convicted, capital or otherwise, has to fight, even in cases where there is dna evidence that hasn't been tested. other forms of forensic testing yet to be done. you're always pushing that -- that, you know, snowball up the mountain, pushing against that