we were there every evening, you know? >> back in the '90s, we used to hang out in a great cafe in trastevre, a grimy part of town very much on the wrong side of the river. >> and here we are. >> and i was pleased to hear it's still going strong. >> you remember? >> yes, i do. i do. >> what's there? >> oh my god. >> the picture you gave them in '93. it is exactly in the same place. i think nothing changed in this place. >> no, it hasn't changed. a little espresso would be just enough to whet our appetites before we go to lunch. or so i thought. >> i know, i know. >> what's that? who's joining us?