kushner, roger stone there is highlighted there. and i'm asking you about roger stone because obviously there was this episode, and you were questioned about the special counsel about this where you helped arrange for roger stone a meeting between stone and some purporting to the russian or someone who apparently was russian promising dirt on hillary clinton. so twheent fawouldn't that falle document request? >> it wouldn't because this gentleman who was an inform meant for several years turned out to be offering information from ukrainian national who worked for the hillary clinton campaign. he has been -- >> that's your assertion there, by the way. >> that's actually -- >> there's no proof to back that up. >> i absolutely have proof. john, you're wrong, i have absolute proof. i have a signed affidavit from the informant that he informed for the fbi for 17 years, it was -- >> regardless, when he came to you, he didn't say hi, i'm an