that could take it out of criminal realm. it really would be a violation of the statutes. i would suspect that the attorney general nominee would believe that the appropriate remedy for that would be impeachment, not prosecution. but it certainly falls under obstruction. >> can you speak to that, mike? because you're the former chairman of the house intel committee. that is the committee, not, obviously, while you were overseeing it, but that's the committee that michael cohen is said to have lied to when he testified, and there's also this question of what is congress going to do? because there's been some reticence on the part of democrats to jump on that impeachment bandwagon. what do you think? >> i think they shouldn't be too quick on this. two problems here. a political problem for the president and a legal problem, and the legal problem is a little less clear to me. the sourcing of this information, i'm a little skeptical of. it wasn't people involved in the investigation, it was one tier out, number one. and you're dealing with somebody who has made it very clear he's