but at the same time here, the whole notion of this -- again, deep-seated sexism and not believing women and the power structures in this country that have suppressed a woman's ability to be able to tell her story generation after generation. so all of this is being triggered. some of it may be unfair to judge kavanaugh. but the fact that the fbi needs to get in there and investigate is absolutely important. >> are you surprised at the measured tone that president trump took today, praising professor ford, saying the week delay is fine? >> astonished. >> invasion of the body snatchers. >> yes. >> but this is how we've gone through the looking glass. donald trump, right, who is a wild man, was measured and respectful and especially respectful to dr. ford. brett kavanaugh, who is the polished prep school boy, who everybody thought was going to be just -- and tells you he's a saint, just ask him. he came unhinged. he was the one -- he was more