>> anthony: what? >> martin: take a big one, and you have to suck it. don't swallow it, you know? look, you have to go like that. slowly, slowly. you know? just that. slowly, slowly. that's how it's good. that's it. >> anthony: you know how to do that in a manly way? you just got to look down and then you sort of look away in a distracted way. it's like, "i'm not really -- i'm not really sucking it." >> fred: the best way is to look up. [ laughter ] >> anthony: finally, there's maple meringue cake and maple ice cream with chocolate shards. any suggestion how to attack this? >> fred: we did it once. i won the chef suggest thing for the ice cream cone. chef suggests that you eat the ice cream like that. >> martin: that's the thing. i think there's too much focusing on the food. you know? you know, like, uh, "wow, this is very intellectual and, uh,