paper. >> that is true. paper ballots are important to have a backup system. it's today in context when you look at what the president is doing, his administration, to canada who we have a trade surplus with. one of our great allies. and what we're not doing against one of the greatest global adversaries in russia. wh why? >> pardon me. i am having a bad flashback to 2000 and the paper ballots and hanging chads and all of that stuff. there is no perfect system -- the idea that we can say let's have a paper backup -- there are 50 different election systems essentially in this country. so it's not a nationalized thing. and that's why it's -- also why it's so hard to hack into. for the president to say that they will respond to russia, to sort of tray to set people at -- sort of try to set people at ease and say we're dealing with it when you have evidence to the contrary from the nsa director last week saying they're not taking an aggressive stance,