$16 a cubic ton. the guys doing the hauling, the local truckers got $9. so we almost doubled the price as opposed to being more efficient but the government don't deal with the small business guy. if that had happened in new orleans, a lot of people would have been able to restock their personal businesses but the fact they that they were working as subjects to these big companies that get the contract who basically got these high-rise apartments and the local people don't get to participate and get better as a result of that. they go to work for the big companies. we thought after katrina that would change, but they're back again, and they're going give it to a fortune 500 company who will take the profits off the top. >> general russel honore, great to have you here as always. >> chemical plant. >> yeah. we'll talk about that next. also, when we come back, a little boy who was rescued by boat from his flooded home has one wish, to thank the hero who