that it spilled out into his work performance. that's where the contempt of court is so serious. that's why it's such a large crime. there were other things that the maricopa county sheriff's office was not doing to satisfy his racist urges to round up as many brown people as he could. >> yes, you're the lawyer. you're the expert on that. >> i'm practicing law. practicing is the key word. >> the president sees this as the sheriff executing his duties as sheriff. he has always been an advocate for local jurisdictions complying with federal immigration laws. he views this as what the sheriff was doing in this case. right or wrong, and clearly i'm telling you this is how the president views it. him issuing this pardon, he believes that sheriff arpaio's lifetime of service, 50 years in law enforcement and dea and serving our country and in the military, he views that as