x, y or z they've wired the white house until nixon. do we have -- has there been in any one sense? >> boy, we don't think there's been any one since. perhaps the closest that we'd have to something like that are the video conferences that took place in the obama and clinton and bush years and the question is whether they were archived and if they were, they'd be subject to the same jurisdiction as the tapes and perhaps there could be a presidential video conference project that we conduct like the recordings program. but, no, we don't think anybody taped like those presidents did from franklin roosevelt through richard nixon. >> and quickly, your interpretation of the president saying on the tapes, that that will come out in some time, in the near future. >> well, it's hard to know what he means by that. in the past, all the presidents themselves were involved in the