the people i chased typically would want to have enough ammunition so they went down in a fire fight with law enforcement. that was not a suicide operation. that for them was a martyr dom operation. i look at this and say i think we might come to a conclusion over the next hours it was just one of those tragedies where you say i'm not sure there's anything you can do. >> and just for the sake of our viewers, that word terrorism there. we don't have any evidence yet and no official has told me at this point. the official word we're hearing from multiple sources is no known motive at this point although the newest information there was an altercation on the flight could be indicative. >> i would like to make a distinction. we haven't seen this because we're always broadcasting about terrorism events and jihadist events typically they're not taken alive. state and local police will tell you, i was a street cop six years, there are plane situations police arrive, someone has shot their family dead, thrown the gun down and surrendered or committed in