in. so countries around the world are acting accordingly and they're pursuing their own interests and their own objectives. so for the turks, this will be an opportunity if they want to to crack down further on their opposition, on civil society, that's what they've been doing over the last year. they're pointing to goulin, who is part of a movement in the turkish government. there is no word he was involved. we'll have to wait and see. for russians it's a very simple calculation. they see all terrorists as the same. this is the perfect justification for that. the irony of this situation is this attacker, this assassin, apparently wanted to drive a wedge between turkey and russia who are meeting tomorrow in moscow with the iranians to decide what to do with syria, and in effect t might bring them closer together, not farther apart. >> and sarah, let me ask you about something having more to do with politics. john podesta, the clinton campaign chair, was on "meet the