cut education, we can't cut transportation. i mean, harold, what do you want to cut? i mean i agree with david gergen, david, i think you're right, if there's going to be a deal, republicans are going to have to agree to some cutbacks in defense programs. i think that should be on the table. but there's no deal if liberals say, we can't cut anything. >> harold? >> i think we can cut some things. but i think the main -- where you and i disagree, steven, is on what the main problem with the economy is what i see as a lack of private-sector investment. i think they're being crowded out by the public sector. i think most major american businesses have a growth strategy in other countries rather than here. that's where the growing markets are and that's where the cheaper production is. and they're moving there. so my view, which is classic keynsian, is that the public sector needs to step up. it's vinlt and things like transportation, because that's where the investment is mainly going to come. if it doesn't come from there, we're stuck in the worst recession since the 1930s and