initially, it was a bit of a challenge, but now it's just -- it's second nature. >> larry: what was your first hit? first hit show was -- >> well, it was "family guy." i wrote for a show called "johnny bravo" on cartoon network that aired for a few years -- actually, it's sort of a cult hit in its own right. it was created by a friend of mine. but, yeah, "family guy" was, you know, my first. some would say only hit. >> larry: well, "cleveland's" pretty good, but that's an offshoot of -- >> yeah. >> larry: but you took "the simpsons" and went raw, right? >> yeah. i mean, you know, you try to take what's good about your predecessors and take it to the next level. i think there's -- you know, originality is important, but at the same time when "all in the family" came out, there were a lot of great shows that followed that were taking a cue from that show. saying, oh, look how well they did this.