commodities including oil are going to go up. you agree with him. >> absolutely. you know, it was only two or three years ago that today's world oil price would have been an all-time record high. now it's where oil trades when most oil-consuming economies of the world haven't even recovered from where they were before the recession began. so i believe that we're going to see triple-digit oil prices by as soon as the fourth quarter this year. and by next year, we're going to be assailing that $147 a barrel high watermark that we set in 2008. >> wow! >> where we go from there, that's a pretty open question. >> on some levels we've changed some of our behavior, some of our driving behavior in the united states. for instance, $3.50, $4 oil did that, right? it took us off of those suvs as much as we were dependent on them. have we changed our behavior enough to manage $4 or higher gasoline? >> probably not quite enough. and there's going to be one other big factor and one big difference. our first encounter has left us